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		<title>By: Usman - KSA</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-20163</link>
		<dc:creator>Usman - KSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up at Pakistan and now work in KSA. It is amazing to see the variety of reasons expats quote for returning/not returning back home, and I guess it always is a decision an individual has to take himself given his specific preferences and circumstances...
 Many people in the forum say security / law and order situation etc are the prime reason for not returning. For myself, though, I have observed it to be just the opposite. For example, consider hearing the news of some bomb blast at Lahore in two different settings: first-watching a satellite channel in jeddah, second-driving in Lahore in a vicinity close to an actual bomb blast. I felt much more paranoid and concerned for may parents and family when I was in jeddah, and was much more at peace with this world when in Lahore myself. How do you explain this?
 If there be war, I would rather be home to protect what remains of it and the family, and I believe it is much more productive and less stressful then having to worry about the country and your family at a place where you can do almost nothing to help such a situation. Having to help the injured and even moving the dead of a bomb blast is better off than crying for them from far away in my opinion, if they are my loved ones... For myself, I would say odds are similar for me dying in a road accident overseas owing to someone elses fault and dying in a terrorist attack back home...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up at Pakistan and now work in KSA. It is amazing to see the variety of reasons expats quote for returning/not returning back home, and I guess it always is a decision an individual has to take himself given his specific preferences and circumstances&#8230;<br />
 Many people in the forum say security / law and order situation etc are the prime reason for not returning. For myself, though, I have observed it to be just the opposite. For example, consider hearing the news of some bomb blast at Lahore in two different settings: first-watching a satellite channel in jeddah, second-driving in Lahore in a vicinity close to an actual bomb blast. I felt much more paranoid and concerned for may parents and family when I was in jeddah, and was much more at peace with this world when in Lahore myself. How do you explain this?<br />
 If there be war, I would rather be home to protect what remains of it and the family, and I believe it is much more productive and less stressful then having to worry about the country and your family at a place where you can do almost nothing to help such a situation. Having to help the injured and even moving the dead of a bomb blast is better off than crying for them from far away in my opinion, if they are my loved ones&#8230; For myself, I would say odds are similar for me dying in a road accident overseas owing to someone elses fault and dying in a terrorist attack back home&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abdulla Hussain</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-17238</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdulla Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute you dear young Pakistani man for your truthfulness about the life of an expatriate in America. I myself am living in a gulf country for several years, although our problems may vary but the essence remains the same.

AH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute you dear young Pakistani man for your truthfulness about the life of an expatriate in America. I myself am living in a gulf country for several years, although our problems may vary but the essence remains the same.</p>
<p>AH</p>
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		<title>By: JA</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-17217</link>
		<dc:creator>JA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left Pakistan almost 30 years ago and see no reason to return permanently to Pakistan.  The reasons cited by many other expats simply do not make sense to me:

1.  To help Pakistan:  Like other expats, I also want to help Pakistan but I believe that can be accomplished far better by earning the big $$$ in Western countries and investing/donating the money within Pakistan.  Both Indian and Chinese expats have benefitted their countries greatly by investing back home and, more importantly, by working from within Western media, business and political establishments.

2.  To &#039;deWesternize&#039; the children:  Here I agree somewhat with Syed Rizvi (July 2, 2:06) that parenting is primarily the responsibility of parents and simply moving to Pakistan will not solve anything.  Pakistani youth is very attuned to Western media.  MTV and HBO are popular in youth culture in all but the poorest socio-economic circles.  All these expat parents who think that simply moving to Pakistan will save their children are deluding themselves; they haven&#039;t got a clue about popular youth culture in Pakistan.

3.  To preserve Islamic identity:  I strongly believe in the statement by a British imam that British Muslims need to forge their own identity; not a Pakistani Islam or a Saudi Islam, but a British Islam.  The same goes for other expats.  At some point we Muslims need to realize that being a good Muslim does not require wandering the streets of London or New York in a jabba or burqa.  A good Muslim can be a clean shaven Wall Street executive, or a lady Newscaster, or a lady doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left Pakistan almost 30 years ago and see no reason to return permanently to Pakistan.  The reasons cited by many other expats simply do not make sense to me:</p>
<p>1.  To help Pakistan:  Like other expats, I also want to help Pakistan but I believe that can be accomplished far better by earning the big $$$ in Western countries and investing/donating the money within Pakistan.  Both Indian and Chinese expats have benefitted their countries greatly by investing back home and, more importantly, by working from within Western media, business and political establishments.</p>
<p>2.  To &#8216;deWesternize&#8217; the children:  Here I agree somewhat with Syed Rizvi (July 2, 2:06) that parenting is primarily the responsibility of parents and simply moving to Pakistan will not solve anything.  Pakistani youth is very attuned to Western media.  MTV and HBO are popular in youth culture in all but the poorest socio-economic circles.  All these expat parents who think that simply moving to Pakistan will save their children are deluding themselves; they haven&#8217;t got a clue about popular youth culture in Pakistan.</p>
<p>3.  To preserve Islamic identity:  I strongly believe in the statement by a British imam that British Muslims need to forge their own identity; not a Pakistani Islam or a Saudi Islam, but a British Islam.  The same goes for other expats.  At some point we Muslims need to realize that being a good Muslim does not require wandering the streets of London or New York in a jabba or burqa.  A good Muslim can be a clean shaven Wall Street executive, or a lady Newscaster, or a lady doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: In Australia</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-17211</link>
		<dc:creator>In Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father was transferred in a job posting overseas and we had very bad experiences when we tried returning to Pakistan.

My siblings could not get admission to decent Pakistani schools even though they had good marks from American schools.  The reason is that nothing in Pakistan gets done without bribery or connections.  We were openly asked to &#039;contribute&#039; if we wanted admission to a reputable school in Karachi.

The other thing I noted personally was the strong resentment from many Pakistanis towards expats.  India is starting to develop it&#039;s own identity and pride, but Pakistanis still don&#039;t have faith in our country.  Most people can&#039;t wait to get out of Pakistan and they seem to resent anyone who has managed to &#039;escape&#039;.

The post-colonial attitude is so deeply ingrained in our psyche, it even permeates our language.  I am always amazed and saddened to see banners, signs and text (even in official media and government documents) which use English words, albeit in Urdu script.  Almost all government institutions are named in English.  Most government forms have English titles, written out in Urdu.  And many upwardly mobile Pakistanis feel the need to pepper their conversations with English words as a sign of culture and erudition.  It is a sad reality that we shun our beautiful national language Urdu, the language of poets and authors, in a subconscious homage to colonialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father was transferred in a job posting overseas and we had very bad experiences when we tried returning to Pakistan.</p>
<p>My siblings could not get admission to decent Pakistani schools even though they had good marks from American schools.  The reason is that nothing in Pakistan gets done without bribery or connections.  We were openly asked to &#8216;contribute&#8217; if we wanted admission to a reputable school in Karachi.</p>
<p>The other thing I noted personally was the strong resentment from many Pakistanis towards expats.  India is starting to develop it&#8217;s own identity and pride, but Pakistanis still don&#8217;t have faith in our country.  Most people can&#8217;t wait to get out of Pakistan and they seem to resent anyone who has managed to &#8216;escape&#8217;.</p>
<p>The post-colonial attitude is so deeply ingrained in our psyche, it even permeates our language.  I am always amazed and saddened to see banners, signs and text (even in official media and government documents) which use English words, albeit in Urdu script.  Almost all government institutions are named in English.  Most government forms have English titles, written out in Urdu.  And many upwardly mobile Pakistanis feel the need to pepper their conversations with English words as a sign of culture and erudition.  It is a sad reality that we shun our beautiful national language Urdu, the language of poets and authors, in a subconscious homage to colonialism.</p>
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		<title>By: pakistani man</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-17073</link>
		<dc:creator>pakistani man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was 9 years old when i moved to the u.s and have been living here since the past 17 years, and yet i still wan to move to pakistan. Don&#039;t get me wrong. I am well educated, have a high paying job, have most of my family and close relatives living here, including aunts, uncles, and cousins. However, i know that life in the U.S is much more stressful and demanding. Here the bills never stop, so the work never stops either. Even if you are making six digit salary, you are still working like a dog, and not living a comfortable lifestyle. In Pakistan, if you are relatively well off (not rich but well off) you won&#039;t have to work like a dog, you can enjoy traveling within pakistan going to muree, etc, and eating out etc. You won&#039;t have to worry about the constant monthly bills, most likely you could afford a maid (can&#039;t do that in the u.s even if you are making good salary). And lastly, you kids...and religion...is you religion really important to you or are you just pretending? Is your deen really the number 1 thing in your life, if it is then tell me, can you hear the adhan 5x a day in the u.s. Additionally, in Pakistan you will be a first class citizen, and in the u.s/UK you will be a second class citizen...in Pakistan no one will look at you even because you wife is dressing modestly with burkha...and you can go anywhere in pakistan without sticking out or feeling out of place. I know that in the U.S i can&#039;t leave NYC, and go live in Alabama and feel the same. Even in NYC you are a second class citizen if you are not white. Lastly, i would like to ask what are we doing all this running around for, leaving the homeland of our ancestors to live in another country as second class citizens? Two things that define one&#039;s standard of living are housing and food...if you can buy a big house in pakistan (and the food is automatically better) then what are you doing in a foreign country? Lastly, have we forgotten about Islam, and the after life that will last forever, as opposed to this life which we can&#039;t count on our finger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 9 years old when i moved to the u.s and have been living here since the past 17 years, and yet i still wan to move to pakistan. Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I am well educated, have a high paying job, have most of my family and close relatives living here, including aunts, uncles, and cousins. However, i know that life in the U.S is much more stressful and demanding. Here the bills never stop, so the work never stops either. Even if you are making six digit salary, you are still working like a dog, and not living a comfortable lifestyle. In Pakistan, if you are relatively well off (not rich but well off) you won&#8217;t have to work like a dog, you can enjoy traveling within pakistan going to muree, etc, and eating out etc. You won&#8217;t have to worry about the constant monthly bills, most likely you could afford a maid (can&#8217;t do that in the u.s even if you are making good salary). And lastly, you kids&#8230;and religion&#8230;is you religion really important to you or are you just pretending? Is your deen really the number 1 thing in your life, if it is then tell me, can you hear the adhan 5x a day in the u.s. Additionally, in Pakistan you will be a first class citizen, and in the u.s/UK you will be a second class citizen&#8230;in Pakistan no one will look at you even because you wife is dressing modestly with burkha&#8230;and you can go anywhere in pakistan without sticking out or feeling out of place. I know that in the U.S i can&#8217;t leave NYC, and go live in Alabama and feel the same. Even in NYC you are a second class citizen if you are not white. Lastly, i would like to ask what are we doing all this running around for, leaving the homeland of our ancestors to live in another country as second class citizens? Two things that define one&#8217;s standard of living are housing and food&#8230;if you can buy a big house in pakistan (and the food is automatically better) then what are you doing in a foreign country? Lastly, have we forgotten about Islam, and the after life that will last forever, as opposed to this life which we can&#8217;t count on our finger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Naved Haider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naved Haider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ak,

I am not able understand that what was your point in objecting about the bombing of terrorist hideouts in the mountains and migration of  Swat&#039;s inhabitants to the safer places due to unavoidable military operation. Just for your kind information our army is not bombing the area indiscriminately but targeting &amp; killing the terrorists only. Furthermore, due to the gravity of the situation and nature of the terrain, air force bombing was inevitable. The scale of insurgency is different is Swat and you can not compare it with the liberation movements in Kashmir &amp; other parts of India. 

Unfortunately, we still have a minority in Pakistan who supports and sympathizes with so called Taliban and try to safe them by giving arguments like yours. They try to project, as if the operation is not against terrorist but against the common people of Swat, which is totally baseless and misleading.  Please don&#039;t make up your mind on the similar lines. Rest assure that Gove. of Pakistan and Pak army care about their common citizens and military operation has been launched to make their own lives and property safe and secured. 

We all Pakistanis value the sacrifices and suffering of all affected areas people and appreciate their cooperation and understanding in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ak,</p>
<p>I am not able understand that what was your point in objecting about the bombing of terrorist hideouts in the mountains and migration of  Swat&#8217;s inhabitants to the safer places due to unavoidable military operation. Just for your kind information our army is not bombing the area indiscriminately but targeting &amp; killing the terrorists only. Furthermore, due to the gravity of the situation and nature of the terrain, air force bombing was inevitable. The scale of insurgency is different is Swat and you can not compare it with the liberation movements in Kashmir &amp; other parts of India. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, we still have a minority in Pakistan who supports and sympathizes with so called Taliban and try to safe them by giving arguments like yours. They try to project, as if the operation is not against terrorist but against the common people of Swat, which is totally baseless and misleading.  Please don&#8217;t make up your mind on the similar lines. Rest assure that Gove. of Pakistan and Pak army care about their common citizens and military operation has been launched to make their own lives and property safe and secured. </p>
<p>We all Pakistanis value the sacrifices and suffering of all affected areas people and appreciate their cooperation and understanding in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Aziz Khan</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-17068</link>
		<dc:creator>Aziz Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all those who are complaining about electricity and water, I will get you solar power for less than your property taxes in US/UK.  For those who are worry about security, are you secure where you are now? Really? For those who are worry about corruption, I&#039;ve lived in Pakistan for two years without paying Rs.1.00 in corruption.  And those of my friends, who don’t like Pakistani traffic, how do you like L.A. or S.F. traffic (it takes me 45 min to travel over an hour in my sports car on 5 lane highway).   Now, let’s talk about a more serious concern, our future generation.  I am certain that in Pakistan you can get 90% kids completing their (private) schooling and get them to &quot;good&quot; colleges.  How many parents have their kids (born/raised in UK/US) going to college (I am sorry Jr. College doesn&#039;t count)? I would bet it is less than 25%, please be honest and do participate in this polling... I&#039;d love to know the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those who are complaining about electricity and water, I will get you solar power for less than your property taxes in US/UK.  For those who are worry about security, are you secure where you are now? Really? For those who are worry about corruption, I&#8217;ve lived in Pakistan for two years without paying Rs.1.00 in corruption.  And those of my friends, who don’t like Pakistani traffic, how do you like L.A. or S.F. traffic (it takes me 45 min to travel over an hour in my sports car on 5 lane highway).   Now, let’s talk about a more serious concern, our future generation.  I am certain that in Pakistan you can get 90% kids completing their (private) schooling and get them to &#8220;good&#8221; colleges.  How many parents have their kids (born/raised in UK/US) going to college (I am sorry Jr. College doesn&#8217;t count)? I would bet it is less than 25%, please be honest and do participate in this polling&#8230; I&#8217;d love to know the results.</p>
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		<title>By: NASAH</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-16971</link>
		<dc:creator>NASAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The expat dilemma -- how to eat the cake and keep it too.

The expat dilemma -- how to exist as -- &quot;aadha teetar aadhi batair&quot;.  

The expat dilemma -- not the &#039;jet lag&#039; after an 18 hour trip -- but the &#039;millennium lag&#039; -- after an overnight jump from JFK  to Islamabad airport.

Expat dilemma -- NOT &quot;do in Mecca as the Meccans do&#039; - or not to &#039;do in Rome as the Romans do&#039; -- but do in Mecca as the Roman do -- and do in Rome as the Meccans do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The expat dilemma &#8212; how to eat the cake and keep it too.</p>
<p>The expat dilemma &#8212; how to exist as &#8212; &#8220;aadha teetar aadhi batair&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The expat dilemma &#8212; not the &#8216;jet lag&#8217; after an 18 hour trip &#8212; but the &#8216;millennium lag&#8217; &#8212; after an overnight jump from JFK  to Islamabad airport.</p>
<p>Expat dilemma &#8212; NOT &#8220;do in Mecca as the Meccans do&#8217; &#8211; or not to &#8216;do in Rome as the Romans do&#8217; &#8212; but do in Mecca as the Roman do &#8212; and do in Rome as the Meccans do.</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
		<link>http://blog.dawn.com/2009/06/30/the-expat-dilemma/comment-page-2/#comment-16955</link>
		<dc:creator>ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syed Ali Mehdi Saab,

Salaam. Thank you for responding to my email. 

First let me give a little background about myself. I am an Indian Muslim( Ayesha Khan) who currently lives in US. My parents live in Gujarat. It is absolutely true that in 2002 riots (where 750 Muslims and 300 Muslims died over a period of 2 days) there was a lot of anger and fear in our community. 

Things are different now. In 2007 elections, my parents voted for BJP (Modi&#039;s party) as did many of their friends and acquaintances. BJP won seats in a fair election in many Muslim majority areas. Why? There have been no riots since then. The development has been the fastest in Gujarat amongst all places in India creating economic opportunities for all. The administration is completely free from corruption - which is such a rarity in India (As I am sure it is in Pakistan) and there is absolutely no discrimination against Muslims. The current IG of police in Gujarat is a Muslim, which also assures us that a similar situation will not recur.

Anyway, poor overpopulated countries like India and Pakistan will have insurgencies because the state does not have the capacity to deal with everyones&#039; grievances at the same time. So India has had insurgencies in Punjab, Kashmir, Assam just like Pakistan has had in (what was then East Pakistan), Balochistan Swat, Bajaur, Waziristan. The only difference is that in no circumstance has the Indian air-force bombed its own citizens - whether Kashmir, Punjab or Assam. Definitely there have been army presence and/or counterinsurgency operations. So I am not denying the need for the operation even in Pakistan and I salute the brave soldiers for their sacrifice. I am simply questioning the bombing since bombs do not have eyes and the civilian collateral is much larger. (12 million people from Bangladesh had moved to India in 1971 and 3 million people from Swat have been currently displaced. Last year,  half a million people from Bajaur were displaced. This type of mass migration has not occurred i India due to absence of bombing. That is the aspect of security that I was referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syed Ali Mehdi Saab,</p>
<p>Salaam. Thank you for responding to my email. </p>
<p>First let me give a little background about myself. I am an Indian Muslim( Ayesha Khan) who currently lives in US. My parents live in Gujarat. It is absolutely true that in 2002 riots (where 750 Muslims and 300 Muslims died over a period of 2 days) there was a lot of anger and fear in our community. </p>
<p>Things are different now. In 2007 elections, my parents voted for BJP (Modi&#8217;s party) as did many of their friends and acquaintances. BJP won seats in a fair election in many Muslim majority areas. Why? There have been no riots since then. The development has been the fastest in Gujarat amongst all places in India creating economic opportunities for all. The administration is completely free from corruption &#8211; which is such a rarity in India (As I am sure it is in Pakistan) and there is absolutely no discrimination against Muslims. The current IG of police in Gujarat is a Muslim, which also assures us that a similar situation will not recur.</p>
<p>Anyway, poor overpopulated countries like India and Pakistan will have insurgencies because the state does not have the capacity to deal with everyones&#8217; grievances at the same time. So India has had insurgencies in Punjab, Kashmir, Assam just like Pakistan has had in (what was then East Pakistan), Balochistan Swat, Bajaur, Waziristan. The only difference is that in no circumstance has the Indian air-force bombed its own citizens &#8211; whether Kashmir, Punjab or Assam. Definitely there have been army presence and/or counterinsurgency operations. So I am not denying the need for the operation even in Pakistan and I salute the brave soldiers for their sacrifice. I am simply questioning the bombing since bombs do not have eyes and the civilian collateral is much larger. (12 million people from Bangladesh had moved to India in 1971 and 3 million people from Swat have been currently displaced. Last year,  half a million people from Bajaur were displaced. This type of mass migration has not occurred i India due to absence of bombing. That is the aspect of security that I was referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: anil</title>
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		<dc:creator>anil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Syed Ali Mehdi
first of all gujrat riots are reaction to some action, its not started on its own. so I don&#039;t blame Gujrat riots as event that can be compared to what is going on pakistan today. I have so many muslim firends in india and we have discussed this so many times. All my muslim friends are enjoying very good IT and other job opportunities becuase of boom in India. Many openly say that becuase of the Indian passport they got opp to work in US in IT  inspite of having muslim name ( from Pakistan to get US visa on passport takes 3 to 4 months). so you cannot compare on those lines..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Syed Ali Mehdi<br />
first of all gujrat riots are reaction to some action, its not started on its own. so I don&#8217;t blame Gujrat riots as event that can be compared to what is going on pakistan today. I have so many muslim firends in india and we have discussed this so many times. All my muslim friends are enjoying very good IT and other job opportunities becuase of boom in India. Many openly say that becuase of the Indian passport they got opp to work in US in IT  inspite of having muslim name ( from Pakistan to get US visa on passport takes 3 to 4 months). so you cannot compare on those lines..</p>
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